you're talking about order of the factors

Prior to the social Summit convened by Nicolas Sarkozy this afternoon in the Elysee Palace, Laurence Parisot, President of Medef, and Jean-Claude Mailly, Secretary General of Force ouvrière, present their views on the crisis and the solutions.

The month of January was occupied by the debate on the stimulus. Come to learn that consumption of French took well end of 2008. This justifies the choice of Nicolas Sarkozy to bet on the investment

Jean-Claude Mailly. The problem of purchasing power existed before the crisis and there are still margins of manoeuvre, at European and national level. Will still not expected to know if the Obama plan works by burning the candles! Nicolas Sarkozy said that he made the bet of the stimulus investment. Of course. Let us be clear, we are not against investment and infrastructure work. But we say simply that it must also support consumption. Need to play on these two aspects.

Laurence Parisot. The important thing is the order of the factors. Boost consumption first would revive the plants in China. It must therefore support investment in France. We know well that help the French, especially help save. Every day, SMEs die. It is a hecatomb: 57,000 companies disappeared in 2008, causing the loss of 218.000 jobs. And this accelerated in January. The problem is. That it does not come tell us, in these conditions, it has helped companies! Only two sectors have helped because they were in great danger: the banks and the car. But find me a single SMEs or TPE has the feeling of having helped her as its order book collapses. Many of them will play their survival before the end of this semester.

AD. Mr. you're talking about order of the factors. Me I reply: needs to be done both at the same time. And I dispute your analysis. Be assured that, if assistance, minimum wage earners will not save but consume. Moreover, according to the OFCE, 100 euros spent by disadvantaged households, only 12 euros go to imported products. Companies, they have problems firstly with their bankers.

L. P. It is because they do not have the means to strengthen their own funds, because of the high weight of compulsory! This is problem number one of the French economy.

AD. Mr. here we have a substantive disagreement. Fortunately, social systems play an important buffer role.

L. P. It is an illusion. They prevent us from making necessary adjustments to cope with the crisis and bounce.

You get both in a position to request at the social Summit of the Elysée, one for employees, another for companies. Do you also have to make proposals

AD. Mr I notes that the Government is shown hyper-réactif to help the banks, but that, on the social level, there is a certain lack of reactivity. It support consumption, with such a hand to the minimum wage in the private sector. It also traced the compensation rate of partial unemployment and consider systems both coupling partial unemployment and training. We also want increased control of dismissals by the public authorities, to avoid the social plans "to bargain."

L. P. The meeting of the Elysée must have as its purpose to achieve a shared diagnosis. Clearly, some subjects are not our jurisdiction, as the income tax. How, in the situation today, could we open negotiations on the different topics addressed by the President of the Republic That this be clear: we will reopen not bargaining on unemployment or part-time unemployment.

AD. Mr I do not think that we will arrive at a shared diagnosis and it is true, the object of the meeting is not to negotiate. Indeed, it is not negotiating with the State. Will be many that will tell the President of the Republic. Public authorities must take their responsibilities for their jurisdiction.

The Summit within the political gesticulation

L. P. It is always good that there be exchanges but it is strange that the Summit appears as a response to events of January 29, in which the public sector accounted for the bulk of the mobilization. However, paradoxically, in the Elysee Palace, nowadays the private sector which is on the table.

AD. M. on January 29, there have been cases of work across and numerous employees of the private were in street.

What can come out of this meeting

AD. Mr. Sarkozy technique on the wages of the patterns was to tell interested parties that they must comply with the code of conduct of the Medef and that, otherwise, there would be a law. Well, we, we say the same thing to the President of the Republic with regard to employees: you accept our requests, or is obvious.

L. P. There is anxiety in the country, I understand it fully. I agree that there is desire to protest. But in the current circumstances, political, labour and trade union leaders must do everything to not throw oil on the fire or designating scapegoats. When it is caught in quicksand, if it flutters in every sense, runs to his loss. I will refer to more control.

Brice Hortefeux, Minister of labour, even asked employers to participate in the collective effort...

L. P. Employers took the measure of the situation before anyone else! He launched a negotiation on the partial unemployment and expanded to new audiences access to unemployment compensation. And after that, we are told that it did nothing

AD. Mr. don't underestimate the profound sense of injustice that develops in the country.

L. P. is that the pattern of SMEs have step also of feelings of injustice It also is for nothing in the bankruptcy of Lehman Brothers.

Do you think, as the CFDT, but also as the UMP, the need to review the mode of corporate governance

L. P. It is demagoguery. The company already gives all possible information to the elected representatives of the staff and the stewards. What is it that these debates completely away from the heart of the problem

AD. Mr. A Labour Force, we are applicants for better information of the employees, but we are not in favour of their presence on the boards of Directors.

Barack Obama has well limited the wages of the patterns in the United States...

L. P. It was done for a few identified companies that are helped by public authorities. But why the reduction of pay gaps only companies and not other media such as television, worldly, the sports world who earn sometimes more money Halt to look at things through the single focal length of the CAC 40! The political class is making a monumental error. Its responsibility should be to participate in the teaching of economy and non-feeding, as currently, the demagogy of the economy.

AD. Mr. understand that people are shocked when Total releases 14 billion euros in profits and that, in the aftermath, announces layoffs in one of its subsidiaries. When a company goes public assistance, must be a legal provision to require him to counterparties. And more generally, I think that the 30 billion euros in relief of loads made each year must be conditioned to the existence of wage agreements.

Could the situation in Guadeloupe disrupt trade this afternoon at the Elysee

AD. Mr. ago in this island a real problem of purchasing power, but the conflict is also indicative of control practiced by a few monopolies private economic activity. I request that it so quickly. And that be attention to the risk of violence. The State must intervene.

L. P. The situation is disturbing. The State has a responsibility to huge and ancient, in having never allowed an evolution of the Guadeloupe economic model. Already several months ago that the Guadeloupe Medef asks a debate on this issue. The State has not heard it.